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« on: July 09, 2009, 10:09:46 PM »

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This is a list of cars from Edmunds that gets 18 MPG or less and has an expected fair market value of less than about $4,500. Edmunds was kind enough to post the raw data
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Timestamp   Year   Make   Model   Drivetrain
            
    1990   Audi   100   2.3L 5-Cyl 3A FWD
    1990   Audi   100   2.3L 5-Cyl 5M AWD
    1990   Audi   200   2.2L 5-Cyl TC 3A FWD
    1990   Audi   200   2.2L 5-Cyl TC 5M AWD
    1990   Audi   80   2.3L 5-Cyl 5M AWD
    1990   Audi   90   2.3L 5-Cyl 5M AWD
    1990   Audi   Coupe   2.3L 5-Cyl 5M AWD
    1990   Audi   V8   3.6L 8-Cyl 4A AWD
    1990   BMW   3 Series   2.5L 6-Cyl 5M AWD
    1990   BMW   3 Series   2.5L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   BMW   5 Series   3.4L 6-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   BMW   7 Series   3.4L 6-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   BMW   7 Series   5L 12-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Buick   Estate Wagon   5L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Cadillac   Allante   4.5L 8-Cyl 4A FWD
    1990   Cadillac   Brougham   5L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Cadillac   DeVille   4.5L 8-Cyl 4A FWD
    1990   Cadillac   Eldorado   4.5L 8-Cyl 4A FWD
    1990   Cadillac   Fleetwood   4.5L 8-Cyl 4A FWD
    1990   Cadillac   Seville   4.5L 8-Cyl 4A FWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Astro   4.3L 6-Cyl 4A AWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Astro   4.3L 6-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Astro Cargo   4.3L 6-Cyl 4A AWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Astro Cargo   4.3L 6-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Blazer   5.7L 8-Cyl 4M 4WD
    1990   Chevrolet   C/K 1500 Series   4.3L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Chevrolet   C/K 1500 Series   4.3L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   C/K 1500 Series   7.4L 8-Cyl 3A RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   C/K 2500 Series   4.3L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Chevrolet   C/K 2500 Series   4.3L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   C/K 3500 Series   7.4L 8-Cyl 4M 4WD
    1990   Chevrolet   C/K 3500 Series   7.4L 8-Cyl 4M RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Camaro   3.1L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Camaro   5L 8-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Caprice   5L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Chevy Van   4.3L 6-Cyl 3A RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Chevy Van   4.3L 6-Cyl 3A RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Chevy Van   4.3L 6-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Chevy Van   5.7L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Corvette   5.7L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Lumina Minivan   3.1L 6-Cyl 3A FWD
    1990   Chevrolet   R/V 3500 Series   5.7L 8-Cyl 4M 4WD
    1990   Chevrolet   R/V 3500 Series   5.7L 8-Cyl 4M RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   S-10   4.3L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Chevrolet   S-10   4.3L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Chevrolet   S-10 Blazer   4.3L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Chevrolet   S-10 Blazer   4.3L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Sportvan   4.3L 6-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Sportvan   4.3L 6-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Suburban   5.7L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Chevrolet   Suburban   5.7L 8-Cyl 4M 4WD
    1990   Chrysler   TC   3L 6-Cyl 4A FWD
    1990   Chrysler   Town and Country   3.3L 6-Cyl 4A FWD
    1990   Dodge   Dakota   3.9L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Dodge   Dakota   3.9L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Dodge   Dakota   3.9L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Dodge   Dakota   3.9L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Dodge   Monaco   3L 6-Cyl 4A FWD
    1990   Dodge   RAM 150   3.9L 6-Cyl 4M 4WD
    1990   Dodge   RAM 150   3.9L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Dodge   RAM 150   5.2L 8-Cyl 4M 4WD
    1990   Dodge   RAM 150   5.2L 8-Cyl 4M RWD
    1990   Dodge   RAM 250   3.9L 6-Cyl 4M RWD
    1990   Dodge   RAM 250   5.2L 8-Cyl 4M 4WD
    1990   Dodge   RAM 250   5.2L 8-Cyl 4M RWD
    1990   Dodge   RAM 350   5.9L 8-Cyl 4M 4WD
    1990   Dodge   RAM 350   5.9L 8-Cyl 4M RWD
    1990   Dodge   Ram 50 Pickup   2.4L 4-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Dodge   Ram 50 Pickup   3L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Dodge   Ram 50 Pickup   3L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Dodge   Ram Van   3.9L 6-Cyl 3A RWD
    1990   Dodge   Ram Van   3.9L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Dodge   Ram Van   5.2L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Dodge   Ram Wagon   3.9L 6-Cyl 3A RWD
    1990   Dodge   Ram Wagon   3.9L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Dodge   Ram Wagon   5.2L 8-Cyl 3A RWD
    1990   Dodge   Ram Wagon   5.2L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Dodge   Ram Wagon   5.9L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Dodge   Ram Wagon   5.9L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Dodge   Ramcharger   5.2L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Dodge   Ramcharger   5.2L 8-Cyl 4M 4WD
    1990   Eagle   Premier   3L 6-Cyl 4A FWD
    1990   Ford   Aerostar   3L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Ford   Aerostar   4L 6-Cyl 4A AWD
    1990   Ford   Bronco   4.9L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Ford   Bronco   5L 8-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Ford   Bronco II   2.9L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Ford   Bronco II   2.9L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Ford   E-150   4.9L 6-Cyl 3A RWD
    1990   Ford   E-150   4.9L 6-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Ford   E-250   4.9L 6-Cyl 3A RWD
    1990   Ford   E-350   4.9L 6-Cyl 3A RWD
    1990   Ford   F-150   4.9L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Ford   F-150   4.9L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Ford   F-250   4.9L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Ford   F-250   4.9L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Ford   F-250   5.8L 8-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Ford   F-250   5.8L 8-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Ford   F-350   5.8L 8-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Ford   F-350   5.8L 8-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Ford   F-350   7.5L 8-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Ford   LTD Crown Victoria   5L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Ford   Mustang   5L 8-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Ford   Ranger   2.9L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Ford   Thunderbird   3.8L 6-Cyl SC 5M RWD
    1990   GMC   Jimmy   5.7L 8-Cyl 4M 4WD
    
    1990   Infiniti   Q45   4.5L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    
    1990   Jaguar   XJ-Series   5.3L 12-Cyl 3A RWD
    1990   Jeep   Cherokee   4L 6-Cyl 4A 4WD
    1990   Jeep   Cherokee   4L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Jeep   Cherokee   4L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Jeep   Comanche   4L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Jeep   Comanche   4L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Jeep   Grand Wagoneer   5.9L 8-Cyl 3A 4WD
    1990   Jeep   Wagoneer   4L 6-Cyl 4A 4WD
    1990   Jeep   Wrangler   2.5L 4-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Jeep   Wrangler   4.2L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Land Rover   Range Rover   3.9L 8-Cyl 4A AWD
    1990   Lexus   Ls 400   4L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Lincoln   Mark VII   5L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Lincoln   Town Car   5L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Mazda   RX-7   1.3L -Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Mazda   RX-7   1.3L -Cyl TC 5M RWD
    1990   Mercedes-Benz   300-Class   2.6L 6-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Mercedes-Benz   300-Class   3L 6-Cyl 4A AWD
    1990   Mercedes-Benz   300-Class   3L 6-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Mercedes-Benz   300-Class   3L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Mercedes-Benz   420-Class   4.2L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Mercedes-Benz   500-Class   5L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Mercedes-Benz   560-Class   5.6L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Nissan   300ZX   3L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Nissan   300ZX   3L 6-Cyl Twin-TC 5M RWD
    1990   Nissan   Axxess   2.4L 4-Cyl 4A 4WD
    1990   Nissan   Pathfinder   3L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Nissan   Pathfinder   3L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Nissan   Truck   2.4L 4-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Nissan   Truck   2.4L 4-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Nissan   Truck   3L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Nissan   Van   2.4L 4-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Nissan   Van   2.4L 4-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Plymouth   Grand Voyager   3.3L 6-Cyl 4A FWD
    1990   Pontiac   Firebird   3.1L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Pontiac   Firebird   5.7L 8-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Pontiac   Firebird   5L 8-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Pontiac   Trans Sport   3.1L 6-Cyl 3A FWD
    1990   Porsche   944   3L 4-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Toyota   4Runner   2.4L 4-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Toyota   4Runner   2.4L 4-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Toyota   4Runner   3L 6-Cyl 4A RWD
    1990   Toyota   4Runner   3L 6-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Toyota   Land Cruiser   4L 6-Cyl 4A 4WD
    1990   Toyota   Pickup   2.4L 4-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Toyota   Pickup   2.4L 4-Cyl 5M 4WD
    1990   Toyota   Supra   3L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1990   Toyota   Supra   3L 6-Cyl TC 5M RWD
    1991   Audi   100   2.3L 5-Cyl 4A FWD
    1991   Audi   100   2.3L 5-Cyl 5M AWD
    1991   Audi   200   2.2L 5-Cyl TC 3A FWD
    1991   Audi   200   2.2L 5-Cyl TC 5M AWD
    1991   Audi   80   2.3L 5-Cyl 5M AWD
    1991   Audi   90   2.3L 5-Cyl 5M AWD
    1991   Audi   Coupe   2.3L 5-Cyl 5M AWD
    1991   Audi   V8   3.6L 8-Cyl 5M AWD
    1991   BMW   3 Series   2.5L 6-Cyl 5M AWD
    1991   BMW   3 Series   2.5L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1991   BMW   5 Series   2.5L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1991   BMW   5 Series   3.4L 6-Cyl 5M RWD
    1991   BMW   7 Series   3.4L 6-Cyl 4A RWD
    1991   BMW   7 Series   5L 12-Cyl 4A RWD
    1991   BMW   8 Series   5L 12-Cyl 6M RWD
    
Etc.

That's just a snippet.  You should check the guy's site above, for the whole list (can't post more than 20k character, just found that out).

Cheers,

RH.

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Re: Cash for clunkers
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2009, 11:35:18 PM »

^RH Thanks for the link. I've been holding on to our Camry/Clunker for this very reason. Almost got rid of it for a lot less than the clunker value couple of months back.
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Re: Cash for clunkers
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2009, 12:17:29 AM »

Cool, good for you man!
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Re: Cash for clunkers
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2009, 03:00:11 AM »

Info seems to contradict that on this 'official' site: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm. At least for my vehicle?
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2009, 03:24:08 AM »

Contradict meaning it's not eligible? Sad
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Re: Cash for clunkers
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2009, 03:29:07 AM »

Quote from: oztiks on July 12, 2009, 03:24:08 AM
Contradict meaning it's not eligible? Sad

Correct. The Autoprophet claims our '94 Toyota Camry V6 3.0 4AT qualifies. The government site states the combined mileage to be 19mpg. That is 1mpg over the maximum for 'clunker' class.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2009, 03:48:18 AM »

That stinks.. Sad
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2009, 04:29:17 PM »

Hummm, that does not look good:

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Consumers hoping to trade in their old "clunkers" for new vehicles through the Cash for Clunkers (or CARS) program are discovering the EPA changed fuel economy numbers for some cars last week, making it impossible to trade them in!

New Jersey resident Jeff Chase was considering trading in his 1989 Mazda 929 for a new car and checked the government's FuelEconomy.gov website and it said it met the 18 MPG threshold to be considered a gas-guzzling clunker. He went back later to buy the new car only to discover the numbers had been changed and the combined mileage was now 19 MPG and therefore disqualified from the discount.

    "The dealer that I wanted to do business with had started to write sales orders for cars but were not delivering them until the final CARS rules were set," said Jeff Chance. "They are finding out that cars that they thought were qualified as trade-ins are no longer eligible. Now these people will not be able to purchase a car."

Jeff isn't alone. Daniel Anderson was planning to trade up from his 1991 V6 Toyota Camry only to be rejected because the number was changed sometime in the last week from 18 MPG, a number that would have garnered him a check, to a new 19 MPG rating.

This is especially troublesome because the official rules released this week states they'll use the latest combined mileage as determined by the EPA because the agency reconfigured how they measure mileage to more accurately reflect real-world MPG. Thus the Cash For Clunkers final rule states:

   
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CARS Act Rule Language
    EPA changed the way it calculated fuel economy ratings starting in Model Year 2008, and has estimated the revised ratings for Model Years 1985-2007. Therefore, as described above, eligibility is determined by the revised ratings rather than the original EPA sticker on the vehicle. Since the revised ratings reflect a lower fuel economy, vehicles that would not be eligible under their original EPA rating may qualify for trade- in.

If this is the case, people who discovered their car's were formerly rated as 18 MPG technically had vehicles determined to qualify under the rules.
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2009, 06:11:45 PM »

please tell me no one is surprised by this administration "changing the game"
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2009, 10:18:41 PM »

Oh, oh:

P sources: Govt to suspend 'cash for clunkers'     
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Congressional officials say the government plans to suspend the popular "cash for clunkers" program amid concerns it could quickly use up the $1 billion in rebates for new car purchases.

The Transportation Department called congressional offices late Thursday to alert them to the decision to halt the program, which offered owners of old cars and trucks $3,500 or $4,500 toward a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle.

The congressional officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Through late Wednesday, 22,782 vehicles had been purchased through the program and nearly $96 million had been spent. But dealers raised concerns of large backlogs in the system, prompting the suspension.
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Re: Cash for clunkers
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2009, 10:34:43 PM »

What a joke. RH, we rarely agree on politics, but this administration is starting to show some serious weaknesses.
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2009, 10:50:30 PM »

You too?  I've been hearing that a lot lately!  It's not about ideology, it's about bad administration!

So apparently they're running through the money faster they planned for.  I wonder how their cost saving health reform plan will work out?

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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2009, 05:11:47 AM »

whats to stop someone who say already had a big gas guzzling truck to go to a junkyard or buy a car off the side of the road for 1000 bucks and then flip it towards a new ride and cash in on the rebate?  Doesn't it effectively just raise the value of people SELLING old high mpg cars?

Just saying, if I had to trade in a say 1996 suburban on a new ride, and it was worth 8k, but I'm thinking if I sold it I could probably get 9k and in the meantime I can go grab a 1990 hoopty off the side of the road for 1000 bucks.  I can then go and trade it on a new car and get a ~4k rebate, add that to the extra 1000 I make for selling the suburban privately, and I've effectively gotten the 3500-$4500 rebate when I didn't have a vehicle that qualified.
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2009, 05:52:18 AM »

^ You can't. The 'rules' stipulate that you have had to own and have registereed the car for the past year.
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2009, 09:41:21 AM »

^^ that's correct.
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