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Engine Size versus Gas Mileage
« on: May 18, 2008, 06:48:16 PM »

Came across this article and I think it brings up a valid point.  The article expolores the adoption of the eco-tec 4 cylinder engine from the solstice/sky for the upcoming Chevy Camaro versus the V8 from the Corvette, which gets similar gas mileage.  I first debated this issue during the puchase of my wife's Jeep Grand Cherokee in Dec 2005.  EPA figures for the Jeep Grand Cherokee:

3.7L V6   210 hp / 235 ft-lbs.
Fuel Tank Capacity: 21.1 gal.      
EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway)
Automatic: : 15 mpg / 19 mpg    
Range in Miles: (City/Highway)
Automatic: 316.5 mi. / 400.9 mi.

4.7L V8   305 hp / 334 ft-lbs.
Fuel Tank Capacity: 21.1 gal.      
EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway)
Automatic: : 14 mpg / 19 mpg    
Range in Miles: (City/Highway)
Automatic: 295.4 mi. / 400.9 mi.

5.7L V8 (Hemi)  330 hp / 375 ft-lbs.
Fuel Tank Capacity: 21.1 gal.      
EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway)
Automatic: : 13 mpg / 19 mpg    
Range in Miles: (City/Highway)
Automatic: 274.3 mi. / 400.9 mi.

So I decided on the 5.7L V8 over the other two choices, because the marginally better CITY mpg of the V6/4.7L V8 didn't really warrant the sacrifice in power.  Plus the fully loaded limited model had better rebates than a less equipped Laredo.  I think this is an issue that deserves some attention though, because high output V8's are frowned upon by the eco-lovers, when in reality they are sometimes just as efficient as other smaller displacement engines in the same vehicle.

The GMnext blog has a post up that talks about the potential viability of a low-displacement turbocharged motor -- the direct-injected 2.0L Ecotec turbo, specifically -- in upcoming GM cars, including the Camaro. Let's talk about this a little. The breathed-upon Ecotec delivers 260 horses and 260 lb-ft of torque, and if you've driven, say, the Sky or Solstice equipped with it, you know just how ballsy it really is. It's more powerful (but less torquey) than either V8 offered in the '87 IROC-Z that I thought was so cool back during high school. The turbo four might well be a nice solution in a future iteration of the Camaro, but is the fuel economy argument for it as rock solid as it might seem on the surface?

The Pontiac Solstice GXP with the turbo four has an EPA fuel economy rating of 19 city/28 hwy when mated to a 5-speed manual. Not bad at all for the performance it delivers, but that same drivetrain in the bigger, heavier Camaro isn't likely to give you equal returns in terms of fuel consumption. Over at AutoblogGreen, Sam notes that the 2.0 turbo's lighter weight relative to the six- and eight-cylinders the Camaro's going to launch with should help somewhat. He follows by reminding us that GM's next-gen mild hybrid system will work with RWD cars and predicts that we'll see a 2.0T hybrid Camaro by 2011 or so. This would dovetail neatly with the first phase of the new CAFE regs, and we're sure GM would find a way to engineer a hypothetical turbo/hybrid's fuel economy numbers so they'd play nice within Uncle Sam's rules.  Great.

The issue with all this talk of four-cylinder turbos and hybrids for a muscle car (along with attempts to redefine the class and reset expectations) is that everyone conveniently overlooks just how good the existing V8 is. In the 2008 Corvette Coupe, the big bad 6.2L LS3 is rated at 16 city/26 hwy. Hardly a guzzler in the traditional sense, the V8's rating isn't that far off from the direct-injected Ecotec turbo. Furthermore, the V8's fuel economy comes with 430 horsepower and 424 lb-ft of torque. Those are numbers befitting a muscle car like a Camaro. Who's to say a direct-injected LS-family V8 with efficiency tech like hybridization and/or cylinder deactivation wouldn't be just as effective at meeting the federal fuel economy requirements that begin taking effect a few years from now? You could potentially satisfy the government-created CAFE gods without giving the customers who want actual, traditional muscle the finger in the process. Yes, the consensus seems to be that smaller engines will be a necessity across the board in the new CAFE era, but let's not summarily ignore the bigger ones just because they're big.


Source: Autoblog
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/18/camaros-turbos-mpgs-and-the-underappreciated-v8/
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Re: Engine Size versus Gas Mileage
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2008, 09:48:38 PM »

The rating on the 6.2L LS3 mileage is pretty impressive, although I guess that has a lot to do with the corvette's weight.

I'd like to see nissan bring the GT-R turbo over to Infiniti....  Grin
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Re: Engine Size versus Gas Mileage
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2008, 12:53:03 PM »

Quote from: oztiks on May 21, 2008, 09:48:38 PM
The rating on the 6.2L LS3 mileage is pretty impressive, although I guess that has a lot to do with the corvette's weight.

Pretty much and the ultra tall 6th gear.  It certainly doesn't get mileage like that if you drive in 5th!
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Re: Engine Size versus Gas Mileage
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2008, 02:43:17 PM »

Yep
Tall 6th, low weight, low drag = good mpg
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