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Gas Mileage and Car Choices
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Do you think that in the future if gas costs around $4 to $5 per gallon, gas mileage will materially affect car sales for buyers of cars of relatively more expensive cars, such as
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I have seen posts regarding gas mileage for the Infiniti G35 to the effect that if you have to ask about gas mileage, then you should not buy the car. Gas mileage does make a difference to me, however. I have known or come into contact with a number of very wealthy individuals (which does not include me). Sometimes the wealthier ones care more about saving pennies.
I know only one guy that has owned expensive cars, which in his case included an Aston Martin Vanquish, a Bentley and a Ferrari, and I think he was not too worried about gas mileage. I imagine that is generally true for the third cetegory I created.
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I was waiting for someone to start a thread like this, as I couldnt think of a good way to word it.. good job
I think the pricing is already starting to scare people. I swore i'd never care, and now that gas is at what it is.. I am starting to get a little concerned. I don't "mind" so much about what it is, but I do wonder what i'd do in the case that it cost $100 to fill my tank vs the $50 3 yrs ago when I bought the car. I go through at least a tank a week.
I say this, but at the same time consider vehicles like the Jaguar XF-S, and the Lexus IS-F; neither of which get what you can even consider "good" gas mileage.
I think (without actually checking, so dont shoot me if im wrong!) that the "IS (250)" and "ES" and "A4 (4/6 cyl)" and "3 series (4/6/8 cyl)" really have kind of addressed this issue; they are a little less "thirsty" than their Infiniti counterpart the G.
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It has certainly affected me.
I am in line for a GTR (3 of 4 at my dealership). I haven't finalized whether I will pull the trigger. And if I do, what I will do with the M? Don't know. My original intent was to use the M as my daily. However, with a 120 mile roundtrip to work every day, and premium at over 4.10 locally, that's $22 a day in gas alone. I am going to get a hybrid. Not a fancy one, but one that will get me to work and back in relative comfort. In my situation a few mpg delta will make no difference, but going from my current 21.8 to 40-50 will be significant.
Given that my commute is primarily highway miles the eventual decision between a Prius and Civic was relatively straightforward. I will be getting a Civic Hybrid shortly.
Does that mean I have to leave this forum?
As for the original question, there is no doubt in my mind that gas prices will affect the sales of entry level luxos.
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Quote from: Ohmster on May 25, 2008, 11:41:23 AM
It has certainly affected me.
I am in line for a GTR (3 of 4 at my dealership). I haven't finalized whether I will pull the trigger. And if I do, what I will do with the M? Don't know. My original intent was to use the M as my daily. However, with a 120 mile roundtrip to work every day, and premium at over 4.10 locally, that's $22 a day in gas alone. I am going to get a hybrid. Not a fancy one, but one that will get me to work and back in relative comfort. In my situation a few mpg delta will make no difference, but going from my current 21.8 to 40-50 will be significant.
Given that my commute is primarily highway miles the eventual decision between a Prius and Civic was relatively straightforward. I will be getting a Civic Hybrid shortly.
Does that mean I have to leave this forum?
As for the original question, there is no doubt in my mind that gas prices will affect the sales of entry level luxos.
But isn't the whole benefit of hybrids city driving, not highway?
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I get like ~16-18MPG highway. I am guessing you are staying below.... 60MPH?
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Quote from: oztiks on May 25, 2008, 11:44:11 AM
But isn't the whole benefit of hybrids city driving, not highway?
No. And hence the decision to get a Civic.
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http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2008/05/some_hybrids_save_cash.html
The bad news: Some of the top performers a similar Cleveland Plain Dealer analysis last year fell a few notches. Last year, Honda's Civic hybrid looked as if it would take about three years to earn back its higher cost. In this year's analysis, the Civic takes more than four years.
Hmm..
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Quote from: oztiks on May 25, 2008, 11:50:17 AM
http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2008/05/some_hybrids_save_cash.html
The bad news: Some of the top performers a similar Cleveland Plain Dealer analysis last year fell a few notches. Last year, Honda's Civic hybrid looked as if it would take about three years to earn back its higher cost. In this year's analysis, the Civic takes more than four years.
Hmm..
My analysis certainly says otherwise. I am including the $1050 rebate and the fact that I'm getting the vehicle at invoice. Also you have to factor in that my entire ride is non stop. Almost no traffic and at highway cruising..... I will be paying next to nothing per month given the gas offset. I think my ROI came in at well below four years. I'll check on it later when I get home.
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My dad and I were having a similar discussion on this last night at dinner. My mom drives an RX400h, it gets 24mpg highway... much better city, but when he bought the estimated cost of paying for the hybrid was 10.5 years to recoup extra cost in money saved. That was based on 2.75 a gallon. With the new factor of 4.00 he said its less than 4 years. Thats pretty significant. Gas prices will probably never come back down... could happen, I doubt it.
I'm of the brand of people that subscribe to the theory... do your homework, see what you can afford, buy accordingly. I knew going in premium fuel costs more, I knew that gas was about 3 dollars a gallon. I also knew that service at the infiniti dealership costs a fortune. I can complain about it because I don't like it, but bottom line is... I factored all that into my decision to buy the car and it doesn't bother me that much.
I think of it this way. If gas goes up a dollar, I'm paying 17 dollars more when I fill up. Can I afford another 17 dollars a week? absolutely. In 3 months will I be able to afford ANOTHER 17 dollars a week... I'd imagine so!
I do think sales will suffer, but that will benefit people like me who DO have the money for cars in this segment (or higher priced gas-guzzlers). Think about it... gas is 4 bucks... people are already getting the M3 under MSRP... and it came out less than 3 months ago. How long before I can get one at invoice?
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Quote from: 07G35S on May 25, 2008, 01:14:59 PM
I'm of the brand of people that subscribe to the theory... do your homework, see what you can afford, buy accordingly. I knew going in premium fuel costs more, I knew that gas was about 3 dollars a gallon. I also knew that service at the infiniti dealership costs a fortune. I can complain about it because I don't like it, but bottom line is... I factored all that into my decision to buy the car and it doesn't bother me that much.
I think of it this way. If gas goes up a dollar, I'm paying 17 dollars more when I fill up. Can I afford another 17 dollars a week? absolutely. In 3 months will I be able to afford ANOTHER 17 dollars a week... I'd imagine so!
Sure. But life is dynamic, and things change. I bought the M when my commute was 7 miles one way. It is now 58 more! Sure 17 bucks a week wouldn't bother me either, if I only filled up once a week! Try 2 to 3 times and the math certainly comes out differently.
And again, my choices are one of the following:
Get the GTR. Say goodbye to the M
Forget the GTR. Keep the M and buy a Hybrid
Buy nothing. Keep driving my M and my pseudo daily Camry
And if I really want to piss of the wife: Buy the GTR. Keep the M!
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Quote from: Ohmster on May 25, 2008, 03:35:56 PM
Sure. But life is dynamic, and things change. I bought the M when my commute was 7 miles one way. It is now 58 more! Sure 17 bucks a week wouldn't bother me either, if I only filled up once a week! Try 2 to 3 times and the math certainly comes out differently.
And again, my choices are one of the following:
Get the GTR. Say goodbye to the M
Forget the GTR. Keep the M and buy a Hybrid
Buy nothing. Keep driving my M and my pseudo daily Camry
And if I really want to piss of the wife: Buy the GTR. Keep the M!
Pseudo daily camry? Does someone have a dirty secret?!
[Edit] Oops. Modified wrong post....added fourth option to my choices.
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Quote from: oztiks on May 25, 2008, 04:10:10 PM
Pseudo daily camry? Does someone have a dirty secret?!
Yup. And I ain't saying any more....
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I think people who stretch for the higher end cars will dive off in sales. Those whose budgets are more affected by an extra $100-200 a month spent in gas. I think you'll see more regenerative hybrid, diesel and turbo engines coming in to up the fuel efficiency on the higher end vehicles.
I think most people who lease luxury cars will be less affected vs many who finance if you take the assumption that lessees stay within 12k miles a year so their delta on gas price increases is smaller than those who finance. Also if you assume that lessees make the the same as those who purchase, they have more cash in hand after the monthly payment.
I'm looking more at a turbo engine for my next vehicle for the reasons of efficiency. Audi S3 and A4 Avant both rate highly for that factor.
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