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« on: March 09, 2009, 09:52:36 PM »

Cam across an interesting article related to the 2.0L turbo engine used in the Genesis Coupe.  The magazines keep focusing on the 3.8L V6 to compare to the G37, but the real market is in this engine IMO.

http://www.genesisdriven.com/2009/03/05/beyond-redline-disassembles-20t-motor-with-pictures/
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Update 20090309: It seems we got some details wrong. Pointed out by JGP at the AutoBlog comments, and according to this article on Wikipedia, Hyundai was the company that did the initial design on the engine, who then provided the engine to Mitsubishi, who then modified the engine to their specs. Euclid at NASIOC also mentioned that the 4B11 is a Mitsubishi designation, and that the only thing these blocks share are a common base design. As stated before, Hyundai did the initial engine design, which they then shared with Mitsubishi. Mitsubishi then modified their design to work in their cars, it it should be that the new Evo X 4B11T and the Ralliart 4B11 are based on the Hyundai\Chrysler\Mitsubishi World Engine design. It is NOT a 4B11, it is simply related to the 4B11. Sorry, and thanks to those who tipped us!

Beyond Redline has taken apart the 2.0T motor used in the Genesis Coupe with some nice pictures. As expected, the block is sourced from the 4B11, the motor used in the new Lancer Ralliart (not to be confused with the 4B11T used in the Lancer Evolution X). [EDIT: Please read the update above, this engine, while related to the 4B11 is not the same block]. It looks like it has a beefy crank and stout rods  with a 86mm\86mm stroke and bore, making it a square motor which is great for high revving madness. Beyond Redline expects 400whp at around 8000 RPM an easy goal with supporting mods but an otherwise stock block. With  piston oil squirters it also looks like it will be very tunable to produce plenty of power. One disappointment is that it is an open deck block. High boost can possibly warp the cylinders into ovals, so for high power applications the block may need some reinforcement called block guards to reinforce the cylinder walls. The tradeoff is better engine cooling and the possibility to tune the engine more aggressively with less boost to make more power. Compare this to the 4B11T, which has a semi-closed deck with supports all around the cylinder. More pictures after the jump, or click here to see the thread on GenCoupe with all the details.

Hi guys. The insides of this motor look pretty promising. Other than the rods and pistons, the rest looks decently strong. I do have to sonic test the walls, and may go so far as to machine out a sleeve just to see what type and how thick of material was used. Either way being that it is a factory turbo motor, it has to be stronger than a honda block. In stock form I would expect that this wouuld hold around 400 whp, but only time will tell.

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And since Hyundai developed the engine, then Mitsu took it for their use, rather than Mitsu developing it, does this mean no more crank walk? Smiley

I think I'd still be really interested in the R-Spec or Track coupe with 350'ish whp and a flat torque curve if all it really involves is breathing mods, turbo swap, larger IC and a solid tune.  Be interesting too see where it goes in the next two years.  What issues arise, how the reliability is, how Hyundai treats modded vehicles, etc...

Plus photos like this make me think the car has some real potential.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/03/dsc05266.jpg

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And the R-Spec is just awesome.

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Hyundai Debuts a HIGH–PERFOMANCE BLANK canvas for tuners: Genesis Coupe R-Spec

CHICAGO, Feb. 11, 2009 – When the colors of your new turbocharged rear-wheel-drive sport coupe are named after international racing circuits, you'd better have the performance and confidence to back it up. Now, Hyundai is upping the ante by announcing an R-Spec version of the all-new 2010 Genesis Coupe, designed to appeal to true enthusiasts who want a low starting price and the ability to tune their car to their own specifications. R-Spec will be available as a mid-2010 model year introduction.

R-Spec provides genuine track-readiness in an affordable model. The R-Spec adds core performance equipment to the most affordable 2.0T model, such as: Track-tuned suspension, 19-inch gunmetal-finish alloy wheels with performance summer tires, Brembo® braking system, Torsen limited-slip differential, and R-Spec badging. To further reduce cost and weight, it also eliminates some non-essential convenience equipment such as: Bluetooth®, automatic headlights, cruise control, trip computer, chrome interior accents and steering wheel audio controls. The Genesis Coupe R-Spec will be priced at $23,750 and $3,000 less than the 2.0T Track model, leaving tuners with extra cash for their own choice of aftermarket performance upgrades. Appropriately, the R-Spec will be available in three performance oriented exteriors colors: Karussell White, Bathurst Black and Tsukuba Red.

R-Spec equipment includes:
  • 2.0-liter low-pressure turbocharged intercooled four-cylinder engine with dual continuously variable valve timing delivering 210-hp, an estimated 30 mpg EPA highway rating and a top speed of 137 mph
  • 6-speed close-ratio manual transmission
  • Electronic Stability Control with Traction control, ABS, Electronic Brake-Force Distribution and Brake Assist
  • 19-inch gunmetal-finish alloy wheels with staggered-width high-performance summer-compound Bridgestone Potenza RE050A tires (225/40YR19 front, 245/40YR19 rear)
  • Brembo® braking system with 13.4-inch ventilated front rotors, 42mm four-piston fixed front calipers (red), 13.0-inch ventilated rear rotors, 32mm+28mm four-piston fixed rear calipers (red)
  • Track-tuned suspension (higher-rate coil springs, higher-control shock absorbers, 25mm front stabilizer bar, 22mm rear stabilizer bar, front strut brace)
  • Torsen-type limited-slip differential
  • R-Spec badging
  • Quick-ratio hydraulic steering (2.7 turns lock-to-lock)
  • Tire Pressure Monitoring System
  • Front, side, side air curtain air bags
  • Active front head restraints
  • Driver's lumbar support
  • Air conditioning
  • Remote keyless entry system
  • Leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift knob
  • Power windows (one-touch up and down), door locks and mirrors
  • AM/FM/XM/MP3/CD audio system with six speakers
  • iPod/USB/Aux jack connectivity
  • Projector beam headlamps
  • Lightweight temporary spare with aluminum wheel (T135/80D18)
  • Note: Automatic transmission not available with R-Spec
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Re: Genesis Coupe 2.0T
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2009, 10:07:06 PM »

I am starting to take a bit more of a liking to this car. That first pic is pretty good. I was reading through Hyundai's warranty a few days ago and was pretty disappointed with the crap/limitations  they impose. I know "100,000 mile warranty" never means that (hey, dodge!).. but Hyundai's rendition is even worse. They start to chop off warranty stuff at 36,000... pretty disappointing. Sad
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Re: Genesis Coupe 2.0T
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2009, 10:26:27 PM »

To be honest, I don't see how its any worse than anybody else.  Parts of it are better than a lot of other manufacturers.  Nissan is only 3 years / 36k miles on the car and 5 years / 60k miles on the power train for example.  If you're expecting a blanket 10 year warranty, you're expecting too much IMO.

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10 YEAR / 100,000 MILES - POWERTRAIN PROTECTION Covers most engine & transaxle components.    

5 YEAR / 60,000 MILES - NEW VEHICLE LIMITED WARRANTY
Following components covered for time and mileage limits indicated:
- Radio And Sound Systems (i.e. radio, cassette tape drive mechanism, and compact disc player): 3 years / 36,000 miles
- Paint: 3 years/ 36,000 miles
- Battery: 3 years / unlimited miles (100% covered 2 years / unlimited miles; after 2 years and within 3 years, 25% cost of battery and 100% labor cost covered)
- Air Conditioner Refrigerant Charge: 1 year / unlimited miles
- Adjustments: 1 year / 12,000 miles
- Wear Items: 1 year / 12,000 miles (e.g. belts, brake pads & linings, clutch linings, filters, wiper blades, bulbs, fuses)

7 YEAR / UNLIMITED MILES ANTI-PERFORATION WARRANTY Covers rust-related corrosion of body sheet metal.    
Excludes surface corrosion

5 YEAR / UNLIMITED MILES 24-HOUR ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE Covers towing (including accident-related), lock-out, flat tire, and battery failure. Covers vehicle, regardless if current owner is original or subsequent owner.

Includes the following full roadside amenities:
- Towing for inoperable disablements, including accidents
- Battery jump starts
- Change flat tire
- Lock-out
- Out of gas
- Trip interruption


12 MONTH / 12,000 MILES REPLACEMENT PARTS AND ACCESSORY LIMITED WARRANTY    
Covers repair or replacement of any Hyundai Genuine Replacement Parts or Accessory supplied by Hyundai that is defective in material or factory workmanship, under normal use and maintenance.

Genuine Hyundai Parts or Accessories supplied by Hyundai and purchased from an authorized Hyundai Dealer, but not installed by an authorized Hyundai Dealer, are covered for 12 months / unlimited miles.

Accessories installed on a vehicle at the time of or prior to the vehicle's date of first use, are covered under the 5 year / 60,000 mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty.

Accessories installed after the vehicle's date of first use are covered for 12 months / 12,000 miles.

8 YEAR / 80,000 MILES FEDERAL EMISSION AND PERFORMANCE WARRANTY    
Covers repair or replacement of the following original Hyundai major emissions control components that cause the vehicle to fail to conform to an applicable EPA approved Inspection/Maintenance Program:

1) Catalytic Converter
2) Engine Control Module
3) Onboard Emissions Diagnostic Device (OBDII)

Other EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) emissions warranty parts are covered under the 5 years / 60,000 mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty.

7 YEAR / 70,000 MILES CALIFORNIA EMISSION CONTROL SYSTEM WARRANTY
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2009, 11:36:58 PM »

OMG, some nice wheels!
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Re: Genesis Coupe 2.0T
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2009, 12:22:00 AM »

Second pic makes the front look too droopy.

Infiniti 5/60k is pretty comprehensive, no? Just had a speaker replaced under warranty at 56k.
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Re: Genesis Coupe 2.0T
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2009, 12:48:55 AM »

Pretty sure it was 4/60k when I had my G35.

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    *  4-year/60,000-mile Basic coverage
    * 5-year/50,000-mile Emission Control coverage
    * 6-year/70,000-mile Powertrain coverage
    * 7-year/unlimited-mileage Corrosion coverage
    * 10-year/unlimited-mileage Seat Belt Warranty
    * 4-year/60,000-mile Genuine Infiniti Accessories Basic coverage (when purchased at time of vehicle sale)
    * Up to 7-year/100,000-mile Infiniti Extended Protection Plan (optional)
    * 2-year/24,000-mile Federal Emission Performance Warranty
    * 4-year/60,000-mile Federal Emission Defect Warranty
    * 8-year/80,000-mile Federal Emission Long Term Defect Warranty
    * 4-year/60,000-mile California Emission Performance and Defect Warranties
    * 7-year/70,000-mile California Emission Long Term Defect Warranty
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Re: Genesis Coupe 2.0T
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2009, 12:54:59 AM »

^I think you are right, I have the extended anyhow.

OT. The extended on the Odyssey saved our butts. Had a Coil Pack Failure that caused front head damage right after the regular warranty expired. Would have cost us thousands. Yes, that's right, a Honda....
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Re: Genesis Coupe 2.0T
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2009, 12:59:59 AM »

That's because your VTEC kicked in, yo.
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2009, 01:30:52 AM »

I was comparing the warranty to Infiniti, not nissan...
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- Paint: 3 years/ 36,000 miles

Pretty disappointing, IMHO. This also applies to their flagship Genesis sedan, so it's becoming more and more apparent how they are trimming costs.

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Re: Genesis Coupe 2.0T
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2009, 07:17:06 AM »

Trimming costs?  Its the same warranty across the board for Hyundai, not like these are special exclusions for the Genesis models.  How about how the Nissan 3/36k warranty is the same regardless if you buy a Versa or a GTR?  Nissan doesn't have special warranty coverage for that just because its more expensive.

I think you're nitpicking if you're focusing on the radio and paint warranty not being 5 years / 60k miles.  Its not like its worse than everybody else on the market.  And still, the corrosion coverage is the same, their powertrain warranty is better, and the only thing Infiniti will warranty for 10 years is seat belts. Smiley
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Re: Genesis Coupe 2.0T
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2009, 11:51:02 AM »

if you're caught up on not buying a car because it has a limited RADIO warranty... there are larger issues.  Thats like not buying a TV because the remote comes with the wrong brand batteries
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2009, 01:20:49 PM »

Quote from: helldorado on March 09, 2009, 09:52:36 PM
Cam across an interesting article related to the 2.0L turbo engine used in the Genesis Coupe.  The magazines keep focusing on the 3.8L V6 to compare to the G37, but the real market is in this engine IMO.

And since Hyundai developed the engine, then Mitsu took it for their use, rather than Mitsu developing it, does this mean no more crank walk? Smiley

I think I'd still be really interested in the R-Spec or Track coupe with 350'ish whp and a flat torque curve if all it really involves is breathing mods, turbo swap, larger IC and a solid tune.  Be interesting too see where it goes in the next two years.  What issues arise, how the reliability is, how Hyundai treats modded vehicles, etc...

And the R-Spec is just awesome.


Nice article.  I agree the R-Spec is awesome.  But wouldn't it make more sense to name it T-spec, since T is for track?   I'm not getting the difference, I'll have to read it again.

the article says:

"It looks like it has a beefy crank and stout rods  with a 86mm\86mm stroke and bore, making it a square motor which is great for high revving madness. "

I think this is wrong.  What is great for high revvying is an oversquare engine, where the bore diameter is bigger than the stroke lenght.  As it is, it's perfecly square (86-86) engine, which is par for the course for old, non big block engines of the past, no?

There is a Porsche, I don't know which, that it's like 96mm bore and 76mm stroke, now THAT is oversquare!  But the text wrote: wow, 86x86, great for revvying, super duper oversquare...I think the guy was just overexcited...  Smiley

Of course, the proof of the pudding lies in its eating...let's see how easy it is to get the power you want.



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Re: Genesis Coupe 2.0T
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2009, 01:37:17 PM »

Yeah, an oversquare engine is more rev friendly by design unless you have a super large bore and pistons then you're just dealing with mass of the piston and physics associated to it.

The advantage may be as its only an 86mm bore, that the pistons are lightweight.  86mm for the stroke isn't very short.  But some shops are testing the stock block with 7500-8000 rpm redlines.  I'd imagine springs would need to be swapped at the least to fight valve float though.
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2009, 02:04:50 PM »

Looks promising though.  And the car looks good.
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Re: Genesis Coupe 2.0T
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2009, 04:19:52 PM »

not the biggest fan, but i can see the appeal.
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