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Government after people converting cars to electric
« on: May 19, 2009, 04:15:13 PM »



Paul Pearson continuing legal fight over electric vehicle conversions

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Last week, Paul Pearson went back to court. It was the fifth time he's been in front of a judge because of a police sting last December over the electric car conversions he was doing in his garage (details here). In short, the situation is wholly confusing, but also quite important for fans of electric vehicles.

Pearson called AutoblogGreen after his court appearance and gave us a recap on what happened. According to Pearson, the prosecutor asked that the charge against Pearson be amended to reflect only "agreement" that Pearson would convert a gas-only Ford Thunderbird to all-electric drive (again, see our original post here). Pearson and his lawyer had the prosecutor talk to Rodney Aoki at the Sacramento DMV, who said there is no law on the books saying converting cars to electric drive is illegal. Then, the prosecutor asked the judge to amend the charge to reflect that Pearson's website says he'll manufacture a car for you, but that Pearson doesn't have a license. Pearson told AutoblogGreen that his website doesn't say that, and that he hasn't altered the website in any way since the undercover sting. "You can look at it and judge for yourself," he said.

Pearson said that, while this case is a hassle for him, there are larger issues at stake here that make him willing to keep fighting. The most important issue is figuring out who regulates the EV conversion business. Peason has no idea. "It's a totally unregulated area," he said. For a long, long time, it hasn't been more than a backyard thing. In the last few years, with the increase in interest, there is a lot of legal confusion and groping around. Pearson, who is connected to the LA and San Diego electric car communities, said this case is important to figuring out what the rules are for converting a car to electric drive for money.

The case against Pearson was originally brought by the DMV and is now being handled by the City of Santa Monica. Pearson said that, "The judge is pissed off at all of us for not coming to an agreement on something so simple" but that "the neverending stupidness of the prosecutor" is continuing the legal proceedings. For some reason, the prosecutor just won't let this go, Pearson said. "The one thing we can figure is that he's worried he'll get sued for mis-prosecution." The next court date has been set for the 8th of June

Pearson is also working on the Lola EV (pictured). More information on that car here. We have contacted other people involved in this case but have not heard back. If we do, we'll let you know.
(Autoblog Green)

Interesting discussion in the comments, with Pearson participating:

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paul pearson
9:50am (5/19/2009)

The prosecutor has now been told by the dmv main office in Sacramento(Ca.) and the CHP (So.Cal.headquarters in Culver City) their are no Regs. on Electric vehicle conversion.All my new cars are safety certified by the CHP and are for personal use only ,not for sale.As far as electric conversions the CHP view is do not cut into or alter the chassis,do not increase the weight and do not change the interior saftey features.Beyond these basics there are no rules written about EV conversion.The CHP is in charge of vehicle safety here,not the Santa Monica City Atty. Now the City Atty. Is grabbing a straws to find something to save face,saying my web site electriccustomcars.com is soliciting to build new vehicles which I am not YET licenced to do(soon will be)


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10:18am (5/19/2009)

Its important to understand that a conversion is something done to a car that is sold as a used vehicle. There is no degree of measure that would say any aftermarket modification is illegal because it could adversely affect the performance of the safety equipment. Look at all the fools driving around in 20+ inch rim using OEM brakes, not to mention all the other modifications to vehcile people make these days. Again, it doesn't matter if it changes the sensors - its aftermarket work that is completely unregulated. What is at question is whether his actions are interpreted as remanufacturing (therefore selling as new) or doing an actual conversion (aftermarket changes being sold as used). That is how I understand the case in the most general sense.



I'm all for converting to electric.  Heck, I would convert my Sequoia to a hybrid just for the shites and giggles and then to add to the insult apply and get those yellow stickers CA gives to "clean air vehicles".  Can't they build a tiny and cheap hybrid regenerator engine responsible for say .01% HP from the one of the pulleys and somehow link it to the transmission/wheels?   I think I just gave away a millior dollar idea right there... Grin  Pretty soon everybody would get a tax rebate next year! How much is it, 5 grand?  LOL

That would be fun to watch, but that is not what this person (Pearson) is doing, though.  The guy looks legit, I'm not sure how's the final product though.   It's interesting.  What rebates and incentives are available for an (converted) electric vehicle? 
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Re: Government after people converting cars to electric
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2009, 05:53:57 PM »

More options for converting now:

Popular Science:

http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/files/articles/retrofit-485.jpg

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It fits into a wheel hub and can double a car's fuel economy. That's the claim of Dr. Charles Perry, who says his plug-in hybrid retrofit kit can save America 120 million gallons of fuel per day. Big talk. But then, inventors betting on revolutionary uphevals need to talk as big as they think. The former IBM electrical engineer designed the kit to transform existing automobiles into hybrids by placing an electric motor inside each wheel. Perry recently took first prize for his invention at a green energy competition at the Tennessee Technology Development Corp. The plan is to develop the kit into a product selling for between $3,000 and $5,000.

As part of the prize, Perry received a $50,000 grant, which will be matched by Palmer Labs LLC of Reston, Va., whose goal is to commercialize the invention.

Perry reiterates a common statistic that 80 percent of US drivers make daily trips of fewer than 30 miles at 40 miles per hour or slower. Such performance, he says, can be achieved by way of his 10-15 horsepower electric motors, which would be powered by extra batteries installed in a car's trunk.

Perry will work with the Tennessee Technological University on a prototype, then plans to fit 30 state-owned vehicles with the kit for testing. The final stage would see the kits manufactured by Palmer Labs within three years.

$3000?  For 4x10 or 4x15 HP all electric?  Sounds good to me (perhaps too good).  It might be good for at least parking the Sequoia in complete silence, leaving everyone in awe.  LOL

How much is the IRS Rebate again?
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Re: Government after people converting cars to electric
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2009, 01:48:54 PM »

Go for it! Smiley
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Re: Government after people converting cars to electric
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2009, 04:39:55 PM »

Interesting...  I thought I just read that the Obama administration is starting to hand out grants for research, with about $475m going to Tesla.
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