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Red-light camera should capture right car with right plate
« on: April 27, 2009, 02:29:05 PM »

Red-light camera should capture right car with right plate

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By CY FRANK For The Sun

I found the article on our latest red-light revenue producer very interesting, simply because it brought to mind a Naperville senior citizen's experience recently.

Sharon Reed is a very active lady who has lived in Naperville for more than 40 years. During that time, she raised a family as well as founding and maintaining a successful business in our city.

Some months ago she received a $75 citation in the mail from the city of Chicago for running a stop light in their city. The evidence attached was a photo of her license plate number with some undecipherable logo/decal in front of the numbers.

Included in the photo was the rear of a Chrysler van. Her vehicle is a four-door Buick.

After many phone calls, insisting this was not her vehicle, nor was she anywhere near the location indicated, she was instructed to protest the ticket at the Daley Center.

A protest filing fee was paid. Three appearances were required in traffic court. Each one became more frustrating than the one before. It seemed the protester was not innocent before being proved guilty but quite the contrary. It became obvious that no representative of the court believed the story.

The third appearance finally got the court's attention because the license plate was produced as evidence, and although it did match the numbers on the plate, it was not identical to the plate on the photo.

After all the dust had cleared and the expenses were paid by this tenacious senior citizen, including time, parking fees, tolls as well as anguish and distress, the case was dismissed.

It was dismissed simply because, after investigation by this lady, it was discovered that two vehicles registered in the state of Illinois can have the same identical plate number. The only difference is that one is a vanity plate.

This story should raise a red flag in our community, not to mention our state as well as the people who represent us. Reed had a three digit plate number. A number that might be desired by people who have "clout" downstate.

Duplication of the same identical numbered plate would of course become very obvious. However, creation of the same number, including an organization or cause, not only satisfies the people with clout but could produce various rewards.

Obviously, this could present a huge problem to the original owner of this number. For instance, if Reed was accused of a hit-and-run fatality, with the same scenario a much larger court case could materialize. The results could be traumatic.

The victim of this incident has written to media organizations, including our representatives with no response whatsoever. Our local representatives should take note of this, before they promote this project further.

Don't forget a Naperville senior citizen who refused to give up brought this to our attention.
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Boy, I hate those red light cameras.  Specially when they shorten the yellow light times, that is criminal.  It's just a revenue driven enterprise, the kind people accuse big corporation.  But in this case, it's our the Big Brother.

Now they can't even identify the right car, when they had all the means to do so in a speed manner.  Franlkly, the Government should know better. 
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Re: Red-light camera should capture right car with right plate
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2009, 03:26:44 PM »

i think red light cameras aren't justifiable because they have no way of knowing it was YOU.  What if you have kids, or let your friend borrow your car.  Maybe its stolen, they still send the ticket to whomever its registered under.
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Re: Red-light camera should capture right car with right plate
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2009, 09:40:07 PM »

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It was dismissed simply because, after investigation by this lady, it was discovered that two vehicles registered in the state of Illinois can have the same identical plate number. The only difference is that one is a vanity plate.

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Re: Red-light camera should capture right car with right plate
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2009, 11:35:04 PM »

My wife just got one, citation came in the mail yesterday. First time either of us got it, never seen it before. This one is for $100! She was attending a funeral in a far south suburb where she's never been. She made a right turn on red (there was no "no turn" sign), but she didn't make a full stop before turning. The ticket advertised that you can see a short video of the violation by visiting www.redlightviolations.com and entering citation number and license plates number. Out of curiosity I did that. I found the video, it is about 6 - 7 seconds long. Sure enough I could see that she slowly rolled right through the line and turned. But what amazed me is that in those 7 seconds you can see another 6 cars rolling through the line, one before my wife and 5 more after. That's $700 right there! $100 per second! Is this amazing or what! A f---g cash cow machine! Amazing.....
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Re: Red-light camera should capture right car with right plate
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2009, 12:19:22 AM »

think you can appeal since she was part of a funeral procession?
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Re: Red-light camera should capture right car with right plate
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2009, 12:50:22 AM »

Quote from: 07G35S on April 30, 2009, 12:19:22 AM
think you can appeal since she was part of a funeral procession?

Only works if it is your own... Sad
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Re: Red-light camera should capture right car with right plate
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2009, 08:56:29 AM »

Quote from: 07G35S on April 30, 2009, 12:19:22 AM
think you can appeal since she was part of a funeral procession?

By law funeral procession does not need to stop? Rather are they exempt from the loaw? Not sure I can prove it. It is not that evident on video that it was a funeral caravan. Worth a try though....
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Re: Red-light camera should capture right car with right plate
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2009, 11:28:43 AM »

i dont know... i mean i've driven through a red light (going straight nonetheless) when part of a funeral procession.  I thought that was acceptable.  Definitely worth a shot.
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Re: Red-light camera should capture right car with right plate
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2009, 09:07:54 PM »

It's really "interesting" as these "automated ticketing systems" begin to materialize. It's also extremely scary by the way they associate the blame (license plate + car = person? What?!)

Are you sure it wasn't the other identical FX in the funeral procession that has vanity plates that match your wife's FX? Smiley  Cool (as mentioned in the main article above!)
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Re: Red-light camera should capture right car with right plate
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2009, 09:25:22 PM »

Did a little bit of digging about that site (redlightviolations.com); it's really "comforting" to know it's not even a government/state run agency, but a complete third party that is maintaining this information.

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http://www.redspeed-illinois.com yields some interesting information. Apparently they specialize in these cash-cow devices.. and look what else is coming:

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

April 28, 2008

 
REDSPEED ILLINOIS SUPPORTS PASSAGE OF SPEED ENFORCEMENT LEGISLATION

 

LOMBARD, IL. April 28, 2008-- Key representatives of Lombard based RedSpeed Illinois attended the April 24th joint meeting of the City of Chicago’s Finance and Transportation Committees, chaired by Aldermen Edward Burke and Tom Allen, to show support for State Senators John Cullerton and James Clayborne Jr’s SB Bill 2092 authorizing the use of Speed Enforcement Cameras in Illinois. As a result of testimony from Chief Michael Murphy and Director of Administration Robert Kosin of Barrington Hills, Mayor Dave Owen and Public Safety Director Bill Joyce of South Chicago Heights, and Michael Lebert retired Deputy Chief of Elk Grove Village, the committee approved a resolution to encourage members of the Illinois General Assembly to reconsider passage of SB 2092.

 

According to studies conducted by the National Highway Transportation Safety Association (NHSTA) Speeding is a contributing factor in 30 percent of all fatal crashes with an estimated 13,000 Americans being killed. The NHSTA estimates the societal costs of these speed-related crashes is $40.4 billion per year or $1,281 per second.

 

According to Finance Committee Chairman Edward M. Burke, a co-sponsor of the resolution, the speed cameras would typically be utilized to identify vehicles exceeding posted speed limits by 10 m.p.h. The focus of these cameras would be at locations with a high volume of pedestrians, particularly children, the elderly and the disabled; an example being public parks and school zones. Areas with a history of drag racing would also be examined to evaluate the potential benefits of the cameras. Currently speed cameras are being used in Arizona, Oregon, Maryland and Washington where studies have proven conclusively the benefits of the technology.


I wonder what this "study" consisted of and what the ".. proven conclusively the benefits of the technology"? My bet is their "benefits of the technology" had very little (read: nothing) to do with public safety as alluded to above, but more so the success of "catching" and issuing tickets for > 10MPH. Sure, I bet people familiar with the routes slow down where the camera is.. but do you really think it slows them down anywhere else? Also, if this is all under the guise of having people strictly abiding by the law; why is the threshold 10MPH? As far as I understand, a "speed limit" is exactly that. There is no formal "Oh, or another 10MPH, but no more than that!" tag....

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Re: Red-light camera should capture right car with right plate
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2009, 10:42:12 AM »

Apparently, Schaumburg had red light cameras at Woodfield Mall.  Anyone who knows the place is aware that the traffic there is always snarled.
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2009, 12:17:31 PM »

Red Light camera generates $1.3 million in fines a year at one intersection in Atlanta.

WHAT?


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Georgia state Rep. Barry Loudermilk pushed through a law this year to regulate the use of the cameras in his state. Loudermilk says a better way to reduce accidents is to extend the length of the yellow warning light in traffic lights, by just one second — from the minimum three seconds required by federal law. At the Atlanta intersection of Freedom Parkway at Boulevard, cameras brought in $1.3 million from more than 49,000 in violations last year, Loudermilk said. Atlanta charges $75 per violation.

Loudermilk says some towns in Georgia who put up red light cameras shortened the length of time a light stays yellow to catch more red-light runners. So, he pushed through a law that requires lights in Georgia to stay yellow for a second longer, to more than four seconds.

Since the law took effect in January, at least three Georgia communities have decided to no longer use red light cameras, because they’re not “cost effective.”
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Re: Red-light camera should capture right car with right plate
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2009, 02:27:45 PM »

Quote from: Rippling Hurst on May 05, 2009, 12:17:31 PM
Red Light camera generates $1.3 million in fines a year at one intersection in Atlanta.

WHAT?

And to think the city of Atlanta is broke...haha I laugh at our budget, its a joke.
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2010, 12:05:32 AM »

And guess what happens when cameras do not provide enough revenue?  They take them down!? 

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Cleveland city officials said red light cameras in the city seem to be effective, but the company furnishing the cameras has asked that the cameras come down.

Accordingly, they will be removed at the end of March.

The firm that supplied the cameras said both it and the city have been losing money on the operation.
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But I thought they were there FOR OUR SAFETY in the first place, right?  Maybe the people should sue the city to keep them in place...

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Re: Red-light camera should capture right car with right plate
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2010, 07:45:56 AM »

Just like speeding tickets are "for our safety".  Our safety really must be important at the end of every month and holiday...   Huh?
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