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BMW Diesel Update
Sections: E70 X5, E90 3 Series, EfficientDynamics, Official News, Sales/Marketing Oct 21st, 2008
It is officially official. The diesels will begin production in November and will be delivered to dealers mid December.
The 335d will have a best in class EPA fuel economy of 23/36 MPG making it the most fuel efficient BMW ever sold in the US as well as the highest rated EPA MPG 6 cylinder engine ever in the US. With 0-60 in 6.0 seconds it is quicker to that mark than the all new Audi A4 3.2 and the MB C350.
The X5d (as we like to refer to it as) will have an EPA rating of 19/26 MPG with a 0-60 time of 6.9 seconds; making it the fastest and most efficient SUV in the US. Both models will have a highway range of over 580 miles. Both will qualify for the IRS Alternative Motor Vehicle Tax Credit.
The 335d will have the same option profile as the 335i except for unique sport package wheels on the 335d. The X5 35d will have the same option profile as the X5 30i. Active steering is not available on either model.
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Unfortunately, the trade-off for diesels is puny passing power. They get it good coming off the line (all that torque), but go soft in the upper ranges due to lack of horsepower.
If all your driving is around town, you're fine, but for highway tripping you have to plan your passes far in advance. I doubt the Bimmers are going to be much different in that regard. Personally, I love how I can toe my LS's throttle and spin the speedo up to 100 in a few blinks ... buh-bye, 18-wheeler.
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I wouldn't say that these models are that short on horsepower. Both vehicles are getting the 3.0-liter twin turbo which makes 265hp and 425 lb-ft of torque Considering the petrol version of the 3.0 liter TT model is rated for 300 hp, it's only a 35 hp drop.
They key is if the cars will be geared appropriately. If you gear for the shorter redlines and stronger torque, it should mostly offset the difference. Lots of diesel cars seem to get saddled with the same engines as the petrol models and that makes the difference in power curve much more apparent.
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Quote from: Mike_TX on October 22, 2008, 01:07:56 PM
Unfortunately, the trade-off for diesels is puny passing power. They get it good coming off the line (all that torque), but go soft in the upper ranges due to lack of horsepower.
If all your driving is around town, you're fine, but for highway tripping you have to plan your passes far in advance. I doubt the Bimmers are going to be much different in that regard. Personally, I love how I can toe my LS's throttle and spin the speedo up to 100 in a few blinks ... buh-bye, 18-wheeler.
Not quite true, sir
This thing
IS
speed monster
Keep in mind, it has 260HP+ with 400TQ+ TT motor
Passing at tripple digit speeds is just cake!
If you look at stock car 1/4mil times you can see it traps at about 102mph
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335d-Timeslip-11984.html
That's pretty good indication of top end power
Also take a look at 60' time, it's much worse than 335i
So it is opposite (kind of) from what you said, it's slower off the line, but has respectavle top end
P.S. Redline on it is 5K rpm!
That's not your average diesel either
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i'm somewhat intrigued.... again you have to weigh the difference in price to the difference in gas mileage and then compare that to additional costs associated with owning a diesel. When that info is available we'll have a better idea of the viability of a small diesel BMW.
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Well, you already know that your fuel consumption is decreased by 40%
26 vs 36 mpg
I still think it's on the low side
Many people are getting 50mpg+ with freeway driving
Price is not official yet, but sources suggest 2K extra over 335i
However, auto tranny comes as standard (the only choice) and most people get AT, which is optional 1500 on 335i. So difference in price becomes fairly small
Now, resale value on diesels are much better than on its gasoline brother
So true cost to own is going to be less on 335d
It will be even more appearent for people who have longer commutes (aka higher yearly milage)
Another good thing to mention:
It is TT motor.
Many drivers in EU tuned their cars.
Result is well over 350HP/500TQ
This thing becomes monster that hangs with M5s while sipping less fuel than civics
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sounds like it is kinda silly for them to make it in gas powered now doesn't it? Anyway, I like the idea of a diesel... just after I crunched #s on the jeep... it was quite a bit more expensive. If your estimates are accurate, sounds like a diesel 335 would be worthwhile. Still get free maintenance? If so then definitely worth looking at.
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Of course
All BMWs come with free maintenance
Oil changes, brakes, light bulbs, wipers, filters, etc
My numbers if not 100% accurate, very-very close
So final result wont be skewed much
BTW, i'm looking forward to X5 35d or X6 35d
Those will be much more atractive options for this engine
It'll be much faster than V8 SUVs in its class (especially when tuned) and still have 30+mpg
Go diesel!!!
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I have a reason why I wouln't bother with diesel for now. Most stations don't offer it around here except for stations that cater to truckers or those of major roadways. Maybe 1 out of every 7 to 10 stations has it. Of the stations I hit regularly now, none of them offer it.
I don't think diesel will make major inroads in the US until biodiesel becomes a viable commodity.
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Quote from: helldorado on October 23, 2008, 12:19:40 PM
I have a reason why I wouln't bother with diesel for now. Most stations don't offer it around here except for stations that cater to truckers or those of major roadways. Maybe 1 out of every 7 to 10 stations has it. Of the stations I hit regularly now, none of them offer it.
I don't think diesel will make major inroads in the US until biodiesel becomes a viable commodity.
Yes, it's definetely downside of having a diesel car
In my case it wouldnt be an issue, since both Shell station offer diesel, next to work and my house
Diesel in NY is pretty common
Long trips are ok as well, - you can get diesel on interstates.
Ability to run 600+ miles per tank also helps
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Another proof that diesel is not a slouch
http://www.drivers-republic.com/flash/flv_tv.swf?flvSource=bhcag0s8wn2evczi6ff5i2cc.flv&replay=1
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October 23, 2008, 05:13:21 PM »
Hmmm ... with 400 ft/lb of torque, it should be a tire-eater off the line, especially since the torque peak is hit at only 1750 rpm. And of course that last vid is of 1-series with the same 265hp engine as in the much heavier 3-series, isn't it?
At any rate, I'm going mainly on a report I read somewhere by an auto journalist who actually spent wheel time with one in Germany. He said it was excellent in terms of acceleration from a standing start, but was soft at speed. I guess we'll have to see!
Automobile Magazine
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265
hp and - get ready for this -
425
lb-ft of torque.
Wait, 425 lb-ft? As in 130 more than the new M3? Yes, indeed. What's more, two differently sized turbochargers help make that torque available at only 1750 rpm. The smaller of the two spins up first to minimize lag at lower rpm, and the larger turbo comes on at higher engine speeds to keep things going.
The diesel-equipped 3-series has a claimed
0-to-62-mph time of 6.2
seconds - a claim we'd believe, since several Automobile Magazine editors have driven the car in Europe. The 335d is estimated to return fuel economy of
23 mpg in the city and 33 mpg on the highway
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What I think these cars suck is in acceleration. No adrenaline rush there. You do not just blimp the throtle and in less than a second you're in the redline. You have to floor it and wait, probably longer than with those 8v gas engines of the past, at least that's what I'm expecting at any rate. Will see about that, of course.
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well if the 0-60 is 6.2 then yeah it DOES suck in acceleration. Thats a second slower than a G35/37 and 2 seconds slower than an M3.
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I didnt' mean that way. I mean to say the engine does not rev freely, even in the limited powerband.
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