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Re: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 vs. 2009 Infiniti G37 Coupe
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I agree, better comparo with the G37.
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Hyundai has since offered a reflash for the models which has a much less aggressive throttle cutout at redline. They also noted their test car had worn front tires and an out of spec alignment on the rears. All they changed was the front tires, did an alignment and reflash the ECU (and they're offering this reflash at dealers now). Then they offered the car back to IL for a retest, which they did.
1/4 mile dropped from 14.5 @ 97 to 14.1 @ 99
0-60 dropped from 6.4 seconds to 5.9 seconds
Compared to the G37S's 5.7 0-610 and 13.9 second 1/4, the numbers are much closer now. Close enough that I think a lot of people wouldn't be able to notice without actual instrumentation. Very hard to notice a 0.2 second difference between vehicles.
http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/03/2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe-v6-track-retest.html
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I actually think its a less attractive car now. It means their quality control is lacking. One can imagine they select the best of the bunch to be given for testing...if that was the result...Edmunds should independly call the dealers if the reflash is actually available, for instance, before publishing that.
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What does quality control have to do with tire wear or alignment? Now if a tie rod gave out or there were issues related to assembly or part build quality, then I'd agree. This is purely on the marketing department, nothing to do with the engineering or capabilities of the vehicle. Its just normal wear and tear and most magazines push the cars they have to 9/10 on a routine basis to for their testing accelerating that. Its the PR people's fault for not ensuring the car was up to spec and checking it out before turning it over to IL, simple as that. And for all we know, the schedule they have these press cars on (there's typically a dedicated fleet for shows and for use for testing by the media) might be so aggressive they don't have time.
And addressing the ECU reflash means they're being proactive and listening to complaints cited by the press and owners. I fail to see how that's a QC issue either?
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Well, it's not usual for me at least, to see a car tested, and immediately after "repaired" to get better numbers.
Maybe I was too harsh, but i'd like to see the car to survive journalists better. I push my cars a lot, but I do not see abnormal tire wear or a need for alignment on a regular basis.
If a tie rods rod brakes in a mag test, I'd say buy buy to the brand...
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you'd say buy buy not bye bye?
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The perils of fast typing or perhaps just stupidity...Too late to correct it now...yeah, breaking a tie rod would be a big deal, but still, it's an unusual situation to reflash the ECU on the spot to get better numbers...it's suspicious at least.
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Where did you get that? The ECU wasn't reflashed on the spot, the second set of numbers were done a couple weeks
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the first test. It was a change they made after the first set of tests were done, that is also being done at the dealerships and the port. Its not like they were trying to tweak and tune a ringer.
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I don't know why I emphasized the "on the spot" part. The objective was the same, to get better numbers.
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So you're thinking it was mostly due to the the Edmunds article vs other factors such as customer feedback or internal testing? ECU reflashes and system updates aren't totally uncommon though, my STI had a TSB issued within the first 6 months as well for an ECU reflash for example.
I think its better to see them supporting the car and actively addressing items such as that rather than have it fall on deaf ears.
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I had a reflash on my G35S due to the excessive throttle delay/input...
I don't see anything out of the ordinary here... these cars are thrashed by the press because that is their job. Edmonds probably isn't too high on the totem pole when it comes to press cars and the tires were probably toast. Hundai saw numbers that were under-par so they updated the car to the software ALL the cars were getting anyway and put some fresh OEM rubber on. Whats wrong with that?
I have to totally disagree with them comparing it to the G37. So what if the Z doesn't have 4 seats, your testing a sports coupe!? Then to top it off they then say the only reason its better is because of the price?? Thats like comparing an M6 to a LP460 and saying the M6 is better b/c it costs less. Infiniti is branded as a luxury item so more time/money goes into the interior/creature comforts/dealership experience. Are you going to be treated the same at an Infiniti dealership as you would at a Hundai dealership? Give me a break... This just in! The Hundai is better b/c its whats new and they are paying us more, back to you tom...
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Hyundai's Genesis coupe is a party animal.
From the moment you plop into the bucket seats and hit the start button, the coupe lets you know it's ready, willing and able.
The seats cosset but don't cramp. The engine — V-6 or turbocharged four-cylinder — yelps to life. Either one seems happy charging hard, yet both are steady performers at lower speeds, too. The turbo-four makes all its torque at a mere 2,000 rpm, good for slog-along traffic — and unusual among turbocharged engines, which usually require some horsewhipping to build steam. Still, the V-6 is an easier partner in sluggish going.
Hyundai says it's a low-pressure turbo. That means it sacrifices ultimate horsepower for smoothness. In the test car, in fact, there was none of the slam-bang personality of some turbos. Instead, the engine delivered sufficient, solid power at low speed as well as high. Worthwhile tradeoff.
The handling, ah. Spend a moment giving thanks that there still are rear-wheel-drive cars in this front-drive world. Turn the wheel and the rear-drive coupe turns. Just that much. Eagerly, precisely. Corners that you've found a bit intimidating become simply corners.
Perhaps you've seen those ads showing a Genesis coupe power-sliding, some guy driving it like he stole it. Well, it really is that kind of car. Happily for your driver's license, you don't need to boot the coupe like that to know and appreciate its underlying personality. The right-now way the car does about anything you ask is plenty convincing.
The main pieces of the optional Track package — stiffer suspension and tires — made the Track-equipped test car's ride just short of harsh. Be sure you can live with it day-in, day-out before you choose it. The suspension on the Grand Touring test car was a better blend of crisp handling and agreeable ride.
Big dollars for such fun? Hey, it's a Hyundai. Mid- to high-$20,000 prices are a soft touch for all this.
And you're not just buying a snappy, responsive buggy. You get a useful array of standard features and nice touches, such as the iPod hookup that charges the device and lets you control it through the car's stereo.
Disappointments that come with the package:
•Tight fit, as in all sporty cars this size. A modest trunk with foolishly small opening that restricts what you can get in it. A tight back seat that'll do for elementary-school kids. Only two slots back there; Hyundai eschews the three-across fantasy that deludes some makers of tight-fitting coupes.
•Imprecise body-panel and trim gaps. Not many, but any is too many nowadays.
•Styling quirks that aren't necessarily pleasing. Examples: a snoutish grille and a visually jarring dip in the window-sill line. It's meant to accent a styling crease along the body, but looks like a mistake instead.
•Harsh sounds when you rev the four-cylinder — which is most of the time — to keep it in the fun zone.
•Hard-to-see LCD in the lower middle of the instrument panel. Had it been legible in the daytime, you could have found readouts of miles, gear position, fuel economy and other matters of reasonable importance.
Little of this seems to matter, though, when you wind the Genesis coupe into a tight, fast bend accompanied by the engine's song and smooth-as-silk automatic up- or downshifts — or your own snappy gear changes by manipulating the automatic gear lever or slapping the manual shifter.
The relief when you realize the yippee coupe also behaves well in public is palpable. It doesn't demand your racer game face to be a deeply satisfying way to go.
You can argue in favor of your Mustangs, Camaros, Altima coupes and the like. They can be rewarding to drive and, in the case of Mustang and Camaro, bring a cachet and legacy to the sporty car experience that this newcomer coupe can't match.
Even so, Genesis coupe doesn't have a sweet spot — it is a sweet spot.
2010 Hyundai Genesis coupe
•What? Front-engine, rear-drive, sports coupe, available with a V-6 or a turbocharged four-cylinder engine.
•When? On sale since February.
•Where? Built in South Korea.
•Why? Continue Hyundai's trek toward a hip, sporty image, which can lure more buyers and support higher prices (profits).
•How? Modify the chassis developed for the Genesis sedan.
•How much? The base four-cylinder, manual-transmission model starts at $22,750, including shipping. High-end V-6 with automatic and Track package (high-performance suspension, brakes, tires, other accessories) starts at $31,750. Test cars: V-6 Grand Touring, automatic, $29,875; four-cylinder Track, manual, $27,625.
•How powerful? 2-liter, turbocharged, four-cylinder rated 210 horsepower at 6,000 rpm, 233 pounds-feet of torque at 2,000 rpm. Optional 3.8-liter V-6 rated 306 hp at 6,300 rpm, 266 pounds-feet at 4,700 rpm. Six-speed manual transmission standard. Optional: Five-speed automatic (four-cylinder) or six-speed automatic (V-6).
•How big? Slightly smaller outside, bigger inside than Ford Mustang. Length is 182.3 inches, width 73.4 inches, height 54.5 inches on a 111-inch wheelbase. Weighs 3,294 to 3,397 pounds by model. Passenger space: 88.8 cubic feet. Trunk: 10 cubic feet.
Turning circle diameter: 37.4 feet.
•How thirsty? Four-cylinder rated 21 (manual) or 20 (automatic) miles per gallon in town, 30 mpg highway, 24 (manual) or 23 (automatic) combined. V-6: 17 mpg city, 26 (manual) or 27 (automatic) highway, 20 (manual) or 21 (automatic) combined.
Trip computers in test cars showed: V-6, 18.2 mpg in city/suburban mix; four-cylinder, 17.2 mpg in enthusiastic suburban driving.
Uses regular, holds 17.2 gallons.
•Overall: A sweetheart.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2009-07-23-hyundai-genesis-test-drive_N.htm
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