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(Shamelessly stolen from lawman's post!)
Modification:
Lexus IS-F JIC Magic FLT-TAR Coilovers for full replacement of the OEM springs and shocks.
Damper:
12kg front 7kg rear (12/7)
Purpose:
Make the ride more "compliant" and less spine-crushing for the street. Also, eliminate front wheel gap.
Cost:
~$2400 MSRP
DIY or Professional Install:
Can be DIY with suspension work knowledge but Professional recommended
My Rating:
9/10 (only "issue" is difficult to adjust damper in rear)
Instructions/Notes/Comments:
This is my second mod for my car, and by far the BEST. The stock ride on the car is entirely too harsh and unforgiving. The JIC's transform the car completely. They are 15 way adjustable and I have them set at "6" (assuming 1 being softest, 15 being hardest).
The installation did not progress as quickly as I would have liked but that was partially due to the installer's lack of familiarity with doing aftermarket suspension installs (getting the ride height right). Everyone was seemingly impressed with the quality of the product, being that it's aftermarket.
I have the car dropped about 1"+ front/back but may have to come up a little because I seem to be getting a tad of rubbing during heavy cornerning from the front left side. The only real issue with these (or any other coilover kit for the IS-XXX/F is that there is NO camber adjustment).
And now for the (not so great) pictures:
Misc pre-install pics
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looks good!
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Looks very good. So the ride was harsh stock? Can you give us an idea if it was worse than a G35 coupe/FX? And what about now? M35 like?
The rubbing on turns is not good. It may lift the car and completely upset the suspension when you most need it.
Have you tried with 4 adults in the car? It may rub a little, but if it's impossible to even ride at 5mph in the car, then I'd say it's not good.
It looks fantastic, specially the rear! You just need the wheels to go a little bit far out to look flush, and better.
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Quote from: Rippling Hurst on December 13, 2008, 10:10:59 PM
Looks very good. So the ride was harsh stock? Can you give us an idea if it was worse than a G35 coupe/FX? And what about now? M35 like?
The rubbing on turns is not good. It may lift the car and completely upset the suspension when you most need it.
Have you tried with 4 adults in the car? It may rub a little, but if it's impossible to even ride at 5mph in the car, then I'd say it's not good.
It looks fantastic, specially the rear! You just need the wheels to go a little bit far out to look flush, and better.
The stock ride, to me, and many others, was spine-shatteringly harsh. It also had some serious rebound issues. I could kick the rear end loose on a freeway bump (transition from asphalt to a really horrible raised concrete bridge, in a corner) at 50+MPH. It made the FIRST generation/MY (04) FX Sport seem like a lincoln towncar in comparison. The car "hopped" over bumps/imperfections, and going over reflectors in the road felt like I was hitting a 2x4.
When I had the coilovers set to "6" it had more of an M-sport-ish ride but with much less body roll and definitely still a bit stiffer. I then bumped it up to 8 earlier tonight and went out - decided 8 was too close to stock feel (still much better, no insane rebound like the stock suspension).
The rubbing on turns is something i'm still trying to isolate. The car is dropped the same level on both front & rear, and the ONLY thing that rubs is the front left on hard turns or heaving cornering (say - entering a freeway ramp)... so I'm going to have to try and figure out a way to figure out WHAT exactly it's rubbing on. There's no obvious bits (to me). If anyone has any good ways to isolate this easily, i'd definitely appreciate it!
I haven't tried w/ 4 adults in the car, but that'll be soon. I'm waiting for the suspension to settle (1-2 weeks) before I decide on final ride height.
Regarding the "flushness" issue, not sure what i'd do in that situation. The "tucked" look seems okay to me (not amazing or anything, but acceptable). I guess I could do spacers but not really interested, plus if the rims/tires come out any further they would rub and I would have to raise the rear again.
PS - Thanks for your feedback!
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Get the rears rolled, that'll easiily give you an extra 1/2" of clearance. Your fronts are most likely already rolled, so all you can do is give them a little bit more negative camber. Did you or are you planning on getting an alignment?
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I don't think i'll go as far as getting the rear fenders rolled. No one I trust to do that. + I don't think i really need the clearance. I could probably drop even further in the rear and still not rub.
As for the front - not sure if they are already rolled or not. It seems that the tire is actually rubbing on wheelwell lining.
I'll be getting an alignment at some point - but if you are recommending it regarding the camber; nothing can be done in that department. no camber adjustment.
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there's not a camber kit for the IS-F?
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Nope. None for the ISXX0 either.
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http://www.clublexus.com/forums/4025366-post7.html
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You really don't know how it works because it doesn't. A camber plate won't change camber on any IS ever made.
When you lower your car you don't get camber wear no matter what. You get camber wear if your camber exceeds 2.5 degrees. The ISx50 don't exceed 2.5 degrees of camber even when very low. If you get your toe adjusted correctly, your wear issues will go away. The problem is, most alignment techs don't know beans about alignment unless their machine tells them to adjust something. So even after getting it adjusted, it's still crap.
In THEORY,. all i need to do is worry about toe - and find someone/where competent enough to do a good alignment.
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Based on that conversation they're only talking about tire wear, and compensating for it by adjusting toe angle, which isn't anything you've brought up here as being an issue. But that's why I was asking about you getting an alignment, when you lower a car, your camber and toe are typically affected. If you can't adjust camber, you can't adjust camber, but improper toe is a huge killer of tires.
I'm talking about camber adjustment for the front if that's a contributory factor to your rubbing. But I have a feeling you're just too low for your shock stiffness which is why it's happening in hard turns. Raising the height or increasing the firmness of the suspension will most likely solve your issue. I'm really not that much of a suspension person to tell you exactly how to adjust the geometry otherwise to keep the tire at the proper angle under that hard weight shifting turn.
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Quote from: helldorado on December 14, 2008, 07:18:30 PM
Based on that conversation they're only talking about tire wear, and compensating for it by adjusting toe angle, which isn't anything you've brought up here as being an issue. But that's why I was asking about you getting an alignment, when you lower a car, your camber and toe are typically affected. If you can't adjust camber, you can't adjust camber, but improper toe is a huge killer of tires.
I'm talking about camber adjustment for the front if that's a contributory factor to your rubbing. But I have a feeling you're just too low for your shock stiffness which is why it's happening in hard turns. Raising the height or increasing the firmness of the suspension will most likely solve your issue. I'm really not that much of a suspension person to tell you exactly how to adjust the geometry otherwise to keep the tire at the proper angle under that hard weight shifting turn.
Yeah - I've seen a few threads regarding toe > camber for cause of premature tire wear. I can "see" the tires lean-in slightly whereas I can't eyeball the "toe" so that's why I haven't really talked about it.
I had the exact same idea as you (height of firmness) - I had tried bringing the firmness up yesterday and it still was rubbing.
I have noticed that it ALWAYS does it when I make a right turn onto the street where I live, even at 10mph or so.. there's a slight dip (VERY slight) so that's the only reason i can see that it's happening there.
It's not a huge issue, definitely going to get it sorted out - just want to make sure i'm approaching it from the right way.
I figure i'll get an alignment within about a week.
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Also - from everyone's look at the pictures; what are their thoughts? Does it look good at the current height? Should it be higher? Lower? Front? Back? etc
I'm still trying to decide myself.
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Nice Ranger in pic number 10.
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I think you dropped it a lot more than 1", closer to 2". When most people talk about finger gap, its from a 90 degree angle, parallel to the ground, like your first finger, not cramming your fingers at any angle you can make them fit in your second.
Personally, I'd bring it up a hair, I've found dropped as low as that leads to driveability issues, as you've already found.
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Quote from: helldorado on December 15, 2008, 10:04:27 AM
I think you dropped it a lot more than 1", closer to 2". When most people talk about finger gap, its from a 90 degree angle, parallel to the ground, like your first finger, not cramming your fingers at any angle you can make them fit in your second.
Personally, I'd bring it up a hair, I've found dropped as low as that leads to driveability issues, as you've already found.
It's definitely more than 1", but not quite 2". I am going to have to come up in the front - I got the right side to rub today on the interstate (hit a dip on an offramp at ~50+)...
If i raise the front should i raise the back as well, or leave it where it is?
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